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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 556 for the 16th of June

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2019 richardsaunders here with you once

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again from the San Francisco Bay Area

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the day I arrived was a record heat day

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I think for San Francisco Airport coming

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up on this week's show are slightly

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truncated sure to show than normal due

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to my being somewhat busy preoccupied I

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guess you could say while I'm here in

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the Bay Area nevertheless I hope you

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enjoy it we're going to start with an

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interview with my old friend Ross

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Blocher from the OL Oh Ross and Carrie

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podcast of catching up with Ross from

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time to time now this time Ross is going

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to talk to us about something he was

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involved with the last year with the

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Committee for inquiry investigations

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group with Jim Underdown they went out

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to show that the world is really round

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yes well we know the world is really

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round we know it's really a globus fear

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but of course recently there's been the

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rise of the Flat Earth movement

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surprisingly enough I'm still surprised

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about that so Jim Underdown Ross blood

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sure and a group of skeptics headed out

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with prominent Flat Earth proponents to

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run some tests in the field on a lake

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the Salton Sea in California to

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demonstrate using very interesting

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scientific tests that the world really

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as a globe did they succeed and did they

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succeed in convincing the flat-earthers

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that they've been wrong three guesses

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the video which is available on YouTube

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I can highly recommend it's fascinating

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it's good fun it's interesting and I'll

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be playing some clips from that video

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during my interview with Ross Blocher

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coming up at the top of the show after

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that it's guest reporter susan gerbic

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from guerrilla skepticism on wikipedia

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susan was lucky enough to attend the

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recent skeptic owl con here in San

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Francisco I just missed out going to

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that what a pity I hope maybe next year

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I can go to that

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and Susan interviews Thomas Westbrook

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who runs a YouTube channel called holy

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kool-aid which I've seen from time to

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time where you can see explanations on

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things like hot and cold reading when it

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comes to psychics and in fact just

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recently Thomas on that channel

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interviewed susan gerbic about her

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busting of a prominent so-called medium

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i mean speaking of cold and hot reading

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things like that in psychics just as an

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aside in the last couple of weeks I

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together with Jessica singer from the

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Australian skeptics who you hear

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occasionally on the sceptic zone that

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skeptics in the pub well we attended a

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live performance of a so-called psychic

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or a medium this is something skeptics

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must do every now and then I'd I do it

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to keep my mind active and engaged in

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the topic of cold reading and psychic

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reading and all that sort of stuff and

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to see what people are up to now and

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without giving anything away because

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we're going to prepare an article for

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publication it's all I will give

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something away it's surprising how

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similar these psychic acts are after all

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the years I've been going along to see

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them is scarcely any difference between

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what I saw an almost 20 years ago

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and to certain venues and what I saw

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only a couple of weeks ago the basic

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patter for lots of these people it's

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almost like they come out of am a cookie

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cutter machine press a button and get

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the next medium is describing somebody

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vaguely as if they can sort of see them

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I'm getting a man he's oh he's not too

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tall maybe around 5 foot 5 he's got gray

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hair so I think he was quite elderly

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when he passed them something around the

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chest and who is this man Deary can can

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you do you know what I'm talking about

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can you understand this he well what's

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this about a funny sense of humor he had

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what's okay somebody will pick up on

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something oh yes my uncle yeah

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he was he had heart problems oh really

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yes he's telling me that and on and on

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it goes and then they'll move to the

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next person in the next person and it

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audience were small but eventually the

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psychic came and gave me messages from

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my late mother hmm anyway you can read

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all about that probably in an upcoming

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issue of the skeptic the magazine from

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Australian skeptics I'm talking about

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that magazine we're gonna round off the

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show with another item from the skeptic

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to the flat earthers where we have a

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story about conspiracy theories

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regarding the Earth's magnetic pole and

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anti-vaxxers the fact and it'll may sort

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of II made clear in the report

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anti-vaxxers are also heavily into

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conspiracy theories and some years ago

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around 2011 our friend Ken McLeod who

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you heard on the skeptics owned a few

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weeks ago talking about chemtrails wrote

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a story about how anti-vaxxers were

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peddling pushing another conspiracy

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theory to do with the atmosphere will

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the magnetic poles flip what could that

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mean for us find out at the end of the

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show and before we get stuck into the

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show a big shout out to somebody I'll be

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visiting soon Ben Radford in a couple of

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weeks I'll be flying to Albuquerque New

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Mexico to visit men can't wait for that

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but I have been really enjoying the

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episodes of squaring the strange in the

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podcast he co-hosts with our friend

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Celestia Ward and the other co-hosts

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Pasquale who I'd like to meet as well

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just Google squaring the strange but we

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often run promotions for that anyway in

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fact the the episode I was listening to

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just yesterday involved one of my

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favorite topics psychic detectives and

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Ben and Celestia go into detail about a

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certain case and it's absolutely

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fascinating great podcast Ben

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Podcast Celestia and Pasquale well done

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squaring the strange folks but now it's

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peanut butter sandwich but not just any

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peanut butter oh this is my own special

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mixture okay big jar of peanut butter

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any brand really as long as it's crunchy

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as long as it's crunchy I scoop about

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butter in another jar

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and joining me now from beautiful

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downtown Burbank it's one of the hosts

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of the podcast oh no Ross and Carrie

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Ross Blocher hello Ross hello Richard

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thanks for having me anytime Ross

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anytime now the last time I saw you in

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person was earlier this year it was in

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Portland Oregon where you and Carrie

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were doing a live performance yes you

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were there with Brian Dunning it's great

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to see ya yeah we had a wonderful time

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and the audience loved it and after that

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I interviewed you in oh it was very cold

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and we jumped into Brian Dunning's car

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and that's where I did the interview and

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touring Texas yeah we ended up doing 10

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shows on our live tour we'd promised at

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least three so we we met that promise

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and yeah we just finished off in Dallas

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and Austin talking about some fun we had

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at an exorcism conference

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I can't wait can't wait hey you guys

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have so much fun I know it's a lot of

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hard work but you guys have so much fun

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the reason we're having a chat today is

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that I really enjoyed a video you were

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recently a part of and yes the link will

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be in this week's show notes folks from

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the CFI investigation group filmed in

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June last year with Jim Underdown and

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yourself and some skeptics I recognized

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your set-off to try to show to a bunch

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that the world really is round yeah and

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community convinced that the earth is

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not a sphere we invited a group of

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flat-earthers to join us as we put the

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curvature of the earth to the test

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not prove but reconfirm that the earth

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so off you all said I believe you got up

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very early in the morning please tell us

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in size originally I had reached out to

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small group a meetup group based out of

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Santa Monica that was a meeting place

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for flat earthers and Kerri and I for

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our podcast we had gone to a couple of

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their meetings walked the beach with

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them and just talked about some of the

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conversations we'd had and during those

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conversations it had been brought up

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that one of the consistent refrains of

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the Flat Earth movement is that water

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cannot hold a curve and the idea that

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with the curvature of the earth just

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strikes the flat earthers as improbable

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impossible even laughable hmm and so we

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thought well what better way to test

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this than to find a really big lake so

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other that you have a measurable

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curvature and we use the meta bunk

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curvature calculator to estimate that

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four feet as I recall I think it was

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nine point seven miles across I could

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verify this or I could just work with my

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memory I'm going with my memory an

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object on the other side of about 35

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feet of height would be obscured by the

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water that curve that supposedly does

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not exist right so that was the premise

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and we were trying to be I think very

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sympathetic to their claims and design a

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test as the iig always tries to do or I

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should say the the CFI IG

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as it's now called always tries to

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design a test that both sides can agree

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to as a fair test and yes so we we drove

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out it's a long drive to the Salton Sea

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this it was determined that mark Sargent

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could be involved and for anyone who's

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not familiar with him mark Sargent is

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kind of the originator of the modern

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flat earth movement there were other

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people talking about it before him but

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he released this series of YouTube

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videos called Flat Earth Clues that

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really got the movement going in the

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last you know three four years and so he

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was gonna be there and National

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Geographic was already working on a

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piece about him and so they wanted to

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get involved with this and all of a

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sudden this became a far more

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interesting test it it is amazing to me

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that someone like Malik Sargent went out

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with you guys again when I watched the

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video I was a little bit gobsmacked by

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it and I know there were two tests

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basically on the day the first one

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involved a balloon you know just play a

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little clip of that right now the idea

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is that if the earth is curved as you

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know scientists tell us across a span of

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nine point six one miles we should be

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able to predict that an object about 34

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feet tall would be completely hidden

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under the horizon under the curvature

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but if the earth is flat you should be

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able to see it right away so that's

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gonna give us room to test whether the

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earth is curved or flat so that was test

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number one that was test number one and

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the balloon rose and basically you were

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trying to determine how high it would

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have to be at a distance of and I did a

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little bit of calculations here roughly

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10 miles what we can round it up which

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is roughly 16 kilometers right and yeah

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it turns out it's hard to do any of this

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it's hard to demonstrate the curvature

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of the earth to anyone satisfaction and

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and so we had hooked up these giant

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balloons weather balloons

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and and there were no UFO sightings that

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day so at least we kept the ark we kept

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our claims to a minimum here but we we

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filled them up with helium so Jim

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Underdown had gotten a big tank of

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helium to fill these and then attach to

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those there was this structure that had

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a semi-rigid connection between the two

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balloons and it was trailing this bright

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reflective kind of foil-like material

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and that was something that would

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hopefully be an easily spot able target

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from the other side because it would

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catch the light and reflect it back and

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so there were many birthing pains and

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getting this thing up into the air and

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we we started the test later than

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desired we were kind of hoping to do it

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right as day broke but by the time it

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was up he was already starting to build

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up on the lake and you had a little bit

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of distortion happening yes and so some

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of the flat earthers were complaining

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bitterly about that many of them came up

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to me and said this is the worst

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possible place to conduct a test and I

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think it's kind of funny that they've

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gone back so many times subsequently at

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least three to my counting to this exact

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same location but yeah so the then we

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were trying just to establish a visual

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connection between the two sides and

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we're on cellphones talking to each

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other and because we're having a hard

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time spotting the balloon at all you

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know as we were lifting it up in the air

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and it was tethered to rope people went

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up on an embankment so they could see

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from a higher vantage point and then we

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finally made visual contact and at least

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knew exactly where to point all of our

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cameras and binoculars and at that point

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then the flat earther started saying

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well look see we're seeing it and it's

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near the ground but they were ignoring

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the fact that they were up on an

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embankment and on the other side the

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balloons were up on an embankment so we

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were no longer dealing with the numbers

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at Shoreline so that's where confusion

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began and continued well I think it's

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it's a very good indication that and

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you're absolutely right and I've come

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across this myself when I've conducted

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for example million-dollar challenges

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for the or helped anyway for the

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James Randi Educational Foundation it is

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hard to do a good test to satisfy

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everybody and ultimately I guess it's

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almost impossible to do a good test to

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satisfy everybody certainly when you

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have commitments to previously held

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ideas that's for sure but having I had

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purchased a camera specifically for

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these tests the Nikon P 900 this is one

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that is revered amongst flat-earthers

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there are new ma newer models now but

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it's an 83 X zoom camera it is truly

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impressive in its zoom and so they there

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are many videos online where they claim

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that it can recapture things that have

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been lost beyond the curve you know a

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boat can go over the horizon and you can

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pick it back up with this camera which

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is absurd on the face of it but I had

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bought this and we had it set at 4 feet

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above the water and I can say from that

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perspective that we never saw those

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balloons or the attached foil material

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below where one would expect to see them

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so as far as I'm concerned all the

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results were fully consistent with

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around earth but those kind of heat

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waves that were appearing in the footage

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made for a lot of consternation and you

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know nature isn't always as clean-cut as

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we'd like it it did and folks again I'll

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play a short clip from the video with

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mark Sargent bringing up some concerns

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and excuses the results were exactly

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what I expected the loss of observation

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height was due to fata morgana

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refraction atmosphere cleansing I've

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seen that so many times that when

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someone is presented with massive

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evidence right in front of their face

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they still find wiggle room to somehow

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get around and land at their original

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belief so that was interesting and sort

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of not unexpected he would say things

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like that there was a further experiment

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on a boat yes we're a little inflatable

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I think and sort of like a flag a big

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banner a board with stripes and the idea

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was the further the boat went away the

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more of the stripes would start to sink

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below the the horizon the curvature of

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the earth Nolet

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listeners go to youtube and see that one

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for themselves but what really

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interested me yeah well the whole thing

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was interesting but what particularly

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caught my attention was towards the end

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where there was just random thoughts and

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opinions from some of the flat-earthers

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who were there and I'll just play a

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short clip now we have more technology

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in the world that's amazing

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who would be the powers to be it's the

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bloodlines dude bro bloodlines are in

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control I'm not saying the president of

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United States we're talking probably

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levels of magnitude above him its

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population control chemtrails you know

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about chemtrails

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are you heard about them there's so many

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wacky ideas surrounding Flat Earth

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belief that it's just hard to tell how

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they ended up in these spots yeah so

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Russ hearing those people something

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that's does I've always sort of found to

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be true is that if you sort of believe

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in one big conspiracy

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you sort of have to almost believe in

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many big conspiracies it's like the

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anti-vaxxers a lot of those people

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believe in chemtrails and Global one

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world governments and things like that

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yeah these these go together they come

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in packs and well I think one of the

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underlying assumptions that feel that

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fuels all of these ideas is that we're

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all being lied to and that there is this

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you know shadow government or cabal or

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you know a group of you know smoking men

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that are controlling all of our fates

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and and thus we're being systematically

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lied to on so many levels and when you

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have that as a premise there's really

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nothing you can offer as counter

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evidence because it's all faked it's all

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it's all lies it's all people being

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bought off and all we can do is just

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wonder where our checks are I wonder

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where my check is I can tell you it is a

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great video on many levels one it's it's

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fun it's interesting and fun too it

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shows that skeptics are willing to go

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out and tear

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and do things in the field as opposed to

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the common belief that skeptics sit at

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home in their armchairs smoke a pipe or

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two if they do and say it's rubbish I

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won't believe it

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you know skeptics are willing to go out

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there and try something and it also

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shows blatantly clearly that when you

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meet these conspiracy theorists with

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their mindset that even direct evidence

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blindingly simple direct easy evidence

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is meaningless to them yeah I mean I do

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want to give them credit for also

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showing up I think we yes of course a

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big move on their part and they showed

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up in big numbers and they got very

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excited about this and they've gone back

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since we had a very fun follow up where

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later that same month we went back at

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night and we tried some laser

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experiments and what we had this moment

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where from one side of the lake the

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Salton Sea

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you could crouch and the water would

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obscure and clearly cleanly hide lights

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on the other side of the Salton Sea and

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then when you stood up you could see

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those lights and we did this repeatedly

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and there were people amongst the

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flat-earthers there who refused to do

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that they refused to even crouch because

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they were so upset at this really easy

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demonstration of the Earth's curvature

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Wow

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it was such an open-and-shut case but

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but as you see in the video oftentimes

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these discussions will quick quickly

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break down into bigger talking points

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about you know levels above Trump and

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all these other things yeah yeah well

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Russ I wish I was there maybe I can do

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something similar in Australia there

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would be a lot of fun it's a fascinating

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a journey into human psychology apart

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from anything else well congratulations

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on the continuing sense of owner Ross

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and Carrie please give my personal

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regards to Carrie next time you see her

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and folks I will link to the OL no Ross

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and Carrie podcast again in this week's

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show notes but for now from around the

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curvature of the earth so I can't see

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you but for now from beautiful downtown

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Burbank

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Ross Blodgett thank you very much thank

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you so much hello listeners a maximum

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fun I want to tell you about our newest

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podcast that tells you all about the

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truth of the Flat Earth have you been

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looking out over the horizon and you've

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been thinking wait a minute this doesn't

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look round I've been lied to my whole

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life what is NASA doing with 52 million

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dollars a day come on we explode the

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myths just kidding we're oh no Ross and

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Carrie and we investigate extraordinary

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claims that's right we investigating

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extraordinary claims firsthand we go

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undercover in fringe groups we get

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alternative medicine treatments and we

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hang out with people who have unusual

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beliefs like flat earthers 9/11 truthers

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we do ghost investigations we've joined

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Scientology and we got baptized in the

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Mormon Church if it goes bump in the

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night then so do we hmm why don't you

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check out oh no Ross and Carrie and

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hello everyone I'm here at skeptic pal

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in San Bruno area of California and I've

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run into a friend of mine who's from

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Texas is a very popular youtuber he has

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done a wonderful video about the Thomas

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John saga if you want to find that on

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his YouTube site holy kool-aid hey nice

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to be here so it's great so you this

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your first skeptic al what do you think

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it's been fun I've really enjoyed it I

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knew a few people here from psych on

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yourself included but you know it's

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always good to run into people see

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familiar faces meet new people connect

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rub shoulders and spread a love of

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science and skepticism so can you tell

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us a little bit about yourself in your

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website your YouTube channel yeah so my

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name is thomas westbrook i have a

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youtube channel called holy kool-aid

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where i make animated videos talking

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about science promoting skepticism and

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critical thinking and basically i take a

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complex topic and i try to break it down

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in the laser-focus way so I might take a

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topic like psychics whether they're real

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or raw whether there's anything to it or

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not and I'll break down how can we know

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how can we you know figure out if this

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is true how has it been tested in the

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past has it been debunked in the past

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what would it take for them to prove

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that it's right and then I go through

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the different methods that they use like

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hot reading cold reading and I explore

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explain and explore like how these

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things are done so that people can

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inoculate themselves against falling

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prey to a lot of the charlatans and I

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also cover the flat earth movement I

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cover faith healers I cover all kinds of

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different topics I have a serious called

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the story of life and I explore you know

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how did life get here what do we know

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what have we replicated so far in terms

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of abiogenesis experiments looking at

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chemistry and how life can come from

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non-life there's so many different

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topics but I just I love science I want

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to know how the world works and

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I'm just intrinsically extremely curious

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and I want to spread that love of

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science and knowledge and learning and

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critical thinking I would have to tell

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everybody that I totally agree with that

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can you give us the name of your YouTube

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channel

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holy kool-aid and how would you spell

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that

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disease emissions from [\h__\h] crayon only

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septic groovy new solution YouTube the

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oopsie

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a bientot method of shot hello everyone

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I'm Elizabeth fakie the creator of the

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french-speaking method of shock podcast

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twice a month I host a new guest to

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explore the field of meta cognition why

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we think the way we think some shows are

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subtitled in English and actually the

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latest one is all in English an

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exclusive conversation with Jessica Cobb

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an ex New Age guru who turned skeptic

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join us on the method of Jacque YouTube

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[Music]

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from the skeptic magazine volume number

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Ken MacLeod takes a break from the AVN

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well you can stop worrying about water

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fluidization and alien invasions and

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vaccines and all gone radiation from

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cellphone towers or any of the other

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disasters that are slowly creeping up on

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us to wipe out humanity no it's not

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because these threats don't exist it's

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because there is a humanity destroying

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disaster unfolding right before our eyes

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and we'll all be dead before any of them

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can hurt anybody let me explain the good

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folk at the Australian vaccination

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network and course now they're called

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the Australian vaccination risks Network

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formerly the Australian vaccination

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skeptics network and before then the

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Australian vaccination network the good

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folk at the Australian vaccination

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network have alerted us to the unfolding

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disaster that has been revealed by mass

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bird deaths and the change of an

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airport's runways designation at Tampa

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Florida in a long email sent on January

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the 14th 2011 from one of the avians

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leading lights quote our fresh ideas and

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quote she reveals that it all begins on

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a runway in Tampa where the airport

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officials recently closed that runway in

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order to change the numeric designators

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painted there

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why are those numeric designators being

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changed because the Earth's magnetic

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poles are shifting and the numbers

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previously painted on the runway no

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longer match up with the magnetic

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measurements of sensitive airplane

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instruments Wow who could have guessed

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that the Earth's magnetic poles are

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shifting who could have guessed that

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runway designations have to be changed

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because of that scary stuff but it gets

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worse the Earth's magnetic field flips

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or reverses polarity every few thousand

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years this is called geomagnetic

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reversal in between these flips the

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magnetic field can become quite weak and

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chaotic causing turbulence in the field

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which can effectively cause weaker gaps

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in

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magnetosphere these magnetic gaps or

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weaknesses can allow outside influences

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that normally would not penetrate the

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magnetosphere to reach deep into that

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magnetosphere theoretically all the way

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down to where birds fly at very low

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altitude the weakening earth

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magnetosphere was allowing poisonous

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space clouds to enter deep into the

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Earth's atmosphere where it is coming

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into contact with birds these space

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clouds are called noctilucent clouds

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which exists at very high altitudes

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roughly 50 miles and accumulate space

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dust from micro meteorites and other

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sources these deadly space clouds are

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reaching into the lower atmosphere and

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killing these birds in flight what

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exactly would be found in these deadly

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space clouds that might be killing the

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birds she asks and offers the following

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possibilities point these clouds might

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be moving along with gaps in the

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magnetosphere that would invite deadly

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radiation to fry the birds in flight

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point the deadly space clouds could have

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frozen the birds in flight with blasts

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of extremely cold air point the most

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likely explanation is that the birds

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were killed in flight by changes to the

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composition of the air they were

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breathing and as it turns out

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noctilucent clouds are largely made up

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of a poisonous gas known as hydrogen

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cyanide point secret weapon testing and

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the high frequency active Oriole

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research program H AARP

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could be altering the magnetosphere in

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ways that are contributing to the

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invasion of our lower atmosphere with

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these noctilucent clouds composed of

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hydrogen cyanide so there you have it

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the mass bird deaths are caused by

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radiation or super cold air or poisonous

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gases brought to the lower atmosphere by

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a weakened magnetosphere caused by

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secret government weapon projects and

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were all doomed and government misspell

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gu mm int she goes on to say could

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humans be next the really concerning

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part about this is the sudden

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realization that if these poisoning

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clouds of hydrogen cyanide could reach

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into our lower atmosphere they could

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also theoretically reach ground level

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that's where humans live of course and

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if such a poisonous cloud reached down

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into a major cities such as New York it

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would cause the mass instantaneous death

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there's just a few problems with this

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scenario which should be leading obvious

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to anyone with a high school science

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education and certainly were to this

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crusty old navigator firstly the

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movement of the Earth's magnetic poles

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is a well understood phenomenon and has

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been known by navigators as long as

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we've used compasses the difference

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between bearings to true north the

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Earth's rotational axis or North Pole

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and the North Magnetic Pole is known as

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magnetic variation this changes at a

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known rate as the magnetic poles move

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due to the fluid nature of the Earth's

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core the magnetic variation at Tampa

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Florida is 5 degrees 15 minutes west

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currently changing by 0 minutes 5

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degrees west a year Tampa has undergone

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a change of magnetic variation of 3

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degrees 9 minutes in the last 100 years

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runways are designated by the first two

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new rules of their magnetic bearing

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around to the nearest 10 degrees so

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Tampa's runway 18l got its designation

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from its magnetic bearing at the time it

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was built of 183 degrees many years

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later the magnetic bearing of the runway

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has changed to 186 degrees so it has

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been designated runway 19 L the L

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designation means the left of two

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parallel runways so there is nothing

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unusual in a change of a runway

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designation but it is rare enough to

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excite the conspiracy theorists nothing

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to worry about here folks yes the

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Earth's magnetic poles do undergo

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geomagnetic reversal and the reversals

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are recorded in the magnetism of ancient

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rocks

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neither the cause nor the predictability

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are well understood the last such

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reversal occurring 780 thousand years

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ago and the next one is probably

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tens if not hundreds of thousands of

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years away the Earth's magnetic field

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strength is about its historical average

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nothing to worry about here folks

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00:36:50,089 --> 00:36:47,490
noctilucent clouds from the latin for

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night shining are made of crystals of

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water ice they are not made of space

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dust or hydrogen cyanide and are not

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being lowered to the altitude birds fly

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at all lowered to anywhere nor are they

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frying birds with radiation or freezing

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00:37:10,490 --> 00:37:07,069
them nothing to worry about here folks

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00:37:13,579 --> 00:37:10,500
nor our secret weapon testing and high

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frequency active Oriole research program

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AJ ARP quote altering the magnetosphere

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end quote whatever changes are happening

809
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:23,520
are entirely natural and normal the

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current theory of the cause of mass bird

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deaths centers on flocks of birds being

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panicked by New York's fireworks as the

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US geological surveys National Wildlife

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Health Center pointed out quote there is

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nothing apocalyptic or anything that is

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necessarily out of the ordinary for what

817
00:37:48,460 --> 00:37:46,619
we would see in any given week so get

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back to worrying about something else

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there's nothing to worry about here

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except the mindset of the people who

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circulate this rubbish and if you turn

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to the article yourself by visiting WWF

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dicamba you and going to the section on

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the skeptic magazine there's some nice

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diagrams accompanying this article

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including

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a little diagram showing the movement of

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the North Magnetic Pole

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[Music]

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so that was poles apart by Ken MacLeod

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published in the skeptic magazine vol 31

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number one and you can find that on page

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[Music]

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dr. Harriet Hall MD no into thousands as

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the skeptic a retired family physician

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and former Air Force flight surgeon she

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writes about medicine so-called

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complementary and alternative medicine

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science quackery and critical thinking

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Harriet now has a free course a series

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of 10 video lectures on science-based

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medicine and alternative medicine the

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videos and an accompanying course guide

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can be found by following the link at

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skeptic info or by visiting web Randi's

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org slash educational - modules dot

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html' topics covered in the series are

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science-based medicine vs.

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evidence-based medicine

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medicine energy medicine miscellaneous

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alternatives pitfalls in research and

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science based medicine in the media and

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politics harriet covers each topic in a

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matter-of-fact no-nonsense way that

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shorter educate and entertain skeptic

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dot info

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thank you for listening to the skeptics

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own podcast in the coming week I hope to

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catch up with my dear friend dr. eugenie

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Scott in fact I think we're going to a

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science exhibition or outing or

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something in Berkeley in one of the

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parks there Jimmy's been giving me some

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hints about that so that should be

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interesting

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always a pleasure to work catch up with

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dr. eugenie Scott you might remember

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she's a great beekeeper I think I think

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that something to do with insects coming

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up we will see and don't forget if

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you're in Australia if you're in Sydney

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hello to those people who listen on

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after the music be afterthoughts people

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and yes I have brought with me a variety

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of ten sided die here to California and

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I think in fact some of them I use

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originally came from California

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hmm you know I've got a nice transparent

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yellow one right here and for those

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people new to this every now and then

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I'll roll a ten sided die at the end of

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the show three times and it's a chance

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for you to use your magical predicting

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psychic looking into the future

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professorial powers professorial

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pathetic if you are a professor you'd

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have prophetic professorial power anyway

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and to see you can use those powers

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whatever they are to come up with the

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same number that will appear on the die

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when I roll it so here we go concentrate

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now it's going to be a number but from

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one to ten so one all the way to ten

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first role coming up number five always

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right please down let's see there five

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okay all those people who got five well

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done second number coming up to get all

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three by the way is you have one chance

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in a thousand number second role coming

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up number one number one and last role

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coming up here we go guess away or